In a new interview with Vogue Australia, former Spice Girl and current fashion mogul and mother of four Victoria Beckham is opening up about an objectively terrible experience she had two months after giving birth.

While society has a lot of work left to do when it comes to societal beauty standards, the 1990s and early 2000s were particularly terrible in terms of the toxic way society was talking about women’s bodies. In her interview, Victoria Beckham recalls the time she was publicly weighed on national television just two months after delivering her first son, Brooklyn.

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Could you imagine?!

“I went on a TV show called ‘Don’t Forget Your Toothbrush’ with Chris Evans many years ago, and I’d just had Brooklyn and lost a lot of weight after,” Beckham tells the magazine. “It happened to my mum after her pregnancies. It doesn’t mean you have an eating disorder.”

(It’s worth noting that the Chris Evans in question is absolutely not our beloved Captain America, but instead a British TV host.)

In the clip, which unfortunately exists, Evans asks Beckham, “A lot of girls want to know, because you look fantastic again, how did you get back to your shape after your birth?”

It’s clear Beckham is uncomfortable but plays along because, well, that’s what everyone probably expected her to do.

She says she hadn’t done anything in particular to lose weight, but Evans decided he wanted to “check” for himself and brought out a scale for her to stand on. In front of a live audience. Broadcast to the entire nation.

“Oh, no!” said Beckham says in the clip. “You did this to Geri, didn’t you? But Geri was really small. This is horrible.”

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He did, in fact, weigh Geri “Ginger Spice” Halliwell on his show in the exact same manner. Charming!

In the 2022 interview, Beckham makes note that something like that would never happen now.

“And he made me stand on scales and be weighed,” she says. “Can you imagine doing that nowadays?”

No. No we cannot. It’s unfathomable that a bit like that would even be conceived for a late-night show, let alone approved by several writers and producers and given the green light. Then again, women’s bodies are still currently subject to scrutiny and control in entertainment, politics, and our personal lives.